
I’ve had many challenging jobs over the years. I used to be the person to persevere through even the hardest challenges. For example, I worked as a street canvasser in NYC for a year in 2009.
What is a street canvasser, you ask? Have you ever been stopped by someone on the sidewalk in a big city? Did this person ask you to hand over your credit card and commit to a monthly donation to some sort of charity? (Note: This was before the age of iPads. I was literally using a crayon to take a rubbing of their credit card.)
I’m sure you can imagine it was the worst job ever.
Street Canvassers stand on their feet all day long, try to talk to strangers, and hear the word “No” at least 100 times for every yes.
The job was so challenging that only an estimated 50% of new hires made it past their first three days. Only 10% passed their third week. In the NYC office, only 1% made it past their first 3 months. Yet, I persevered to become the fourth top fundraiser in the country, despite my hatred of the job.
I was a recent college graduate in the midst of the great recession. I didn’t have a lot of options.
Despite all my determination and grit (or perhaps because of it), I’ve experienced depression and anxiety throughout my life. It’s become clear over the last few years as I’ve learned to manage it more effectively. When I look back on my younger years, I can now see all the signs and symptoms.
3 years ago (over the course of 2018), I was struggling with severe burnout and depression. One day in July, things got extremely stressful at work. I woke up at 3 AM with a severe panic attack that lasted for 3 hours. Afterward, I knew that I physically and emotionally could not go back to work.
I found myself in a very challenging position. My identity was wrapped up in my career and being the feminist who could climb the corporate ladder. And, I had always been the person who “pushed through” challenges.
Yet, my body was literally shutting down my ability to do something as simple as think about work or open my work computer. I now realize that because I didn’t consciously choose to get out of the bad situation, my body chose for me.
While this experience was very challenging, it taught me some important lessons about putting myself first.
A key financial concept known as Fuck You Money gave me the confidence to move forward in a way that prioritized my health and happiness.
I’ve also had more recent realizations about Fuck You money. I originally thought that the sole purpose of Fuck You Money was to be able to get yourself out of a bad situation. After becoming an entrepreneur, I see that it can also allow you to take advantage of an opportunity. Fuck You Money provides the financial and emotional safety net needed.
This is the main reason why I decided to rewrite this post (originally written in the fall of 2018) in March 2021. With all the benefits of hindsight, I wanted to expand on the purpose of Fuck You Money.
What is Fuck You Money?
Fuck You Money (also known as F-You Money) means that you have enough cash on hand in an emergency fund or liquid investments to walk away from a bad situation or take advantage of an opportunity
To be clear, I don’t mean that you would literally say, “F-You” to someone. Instead, I mean that you are making a choice that’s right for you. You don’t need to take into account the ideas about what other people think you should do. You also don’t need to take into consideration the outcome for the person or situation that is causing your unhappiness.
The trick about Fuck You Money is that it’s both a number and a feeling. To have Fuck You Money, you definitely need to be in a position where you have a financial safety net. I would define this as having at least 3-to-6 months of expenses, which is generally how much is recommended for an emergency fund. Emergency funds are meant to cover your expenses if the worst happens. In rare situations, Fuck You Money could be even less if someone has the benefit of additional safety nets.
At the same time, to consider your emergency fund Fuck You Money, you also need to feel like you can use it!
If you don’t feel like you can use it, it’s not Fuck You Money. If it won’t give you the confidence to walk away from a bad situation, it certainly won’t allow you to take advantage of an opportunity.
Depending on your level of risk tolerance and current life situation, you may need more than a traditional emergency fund to feel like you have Fuck You Money. And, that’s okay.
The amount of money you need to feel like you can say “Fuck You” will, therefore, be different for different people. When figuring out your number, you’ll want to think through your responsibilities. Does anyone else depend on you financially? Does your career provide an unpredictable income?
You’ll also want to think about your non-financial safety net as well. Do you have family and friends who could provide support if things go sideways? Do you have income from a side hustle that you could scale up if needed? Do you work in an in-demand field that would make it easy to find a new job?
My First Exposure to Fuck You Money Changed My Life
I vividly remember learning about Fuck You Money for the first time. We listened to J.L. Collins’ book, The Simple Path to Wealth, on our way up to Maine in the summer of 2018. I remember it because it was just a week and a half before my mental breakdown.
In the book, he shares a story about when he was in his 20s and wanted to take a trip to Europe. He asked to take a leave of absence from work to do that. When his boss said no, he decided he was ready to quit and take the trip anyway. Why? Because he had $5,000 of F-You Money saved up.
Ultimately, his boss decided to work with him. F-You money gave him the negotiating power to do something he really wanted to do.
In this example, $5,000 was the amount of F-You Money he felt like he needed. This gave him the confidence that he could walk away from his employer and take advantage of this incredible opportunity.
I started to wonder, “What amount of money would I need to be able to do something like that?” I didn’t realize that I’d be putting that question into practice so soon.
Fuck You Money and Financial Independence are NOT the Same
After I started experiencing panic attacks and knew I needed to take some time off of work, I started to do more online research about F-You Money.
At the time, I was incredibly surprised that the vast majority defined F-You Money as the point where you reach financial independence. (Note: This seems to have shifted as people are embracing the ideas of incremental freedom and lifestyle design.)
These were a few of the resources I found at the time.
An article on Lifehacker defines F-You money as “any amount of money allowing the infinite perpetuation of wealth necessary to maintain a desired lifestyle without needing employment or assistance from anyone.”
The other blog (Save Money Retire Early) that I found at the time no longer exists. But, I wrote down how they defined F-You Money, so I can memorialize it here, “F–K you money is just financial independence, it’s simply financial freedom, it’s Early Retirement, it’s having enough money to choose the life you want to live,” after telling a story about how F-You money is the amount of money you need to walk into their bosses office, and say F-you and walk out.
There were even people who said that they feel like they’d need up to $10 million to feel like they have F-You Money. This would be enough to generate $250,000 per year in risk-free income.
I disagree that F-You Money and financial independence are the same.
F-You Money is simply having enough cash on hand to be able to put yourself first right now. It doesn’t have to mean that you can say “F-You” to every employer or bad situation for the rest of your life. It means you can do that for the time being without significant negative impacts on your quality of life or future plans.
F-You Money is simply one milestone along the path to full financial independence.
The Purposes of F-You Money
As shared above, there are two main reasons why you want to have F-You Money.
- To walk away from a bad situation without needing to worry (too much) about the financial ramifications.
- To take advantage of an opportunity.
Having F-You Money allows you to walk away from a whole variety of situations, such as:
- A toxic work environment
- A bad boss
- A terrible roommate
- A landlord that refuses to fix a mold or cockroach issue
- An abusive partner
In my case, I used my F-You money to walk away from a toxic work environment and a bad boss. I have a friend who walked away from a cockroach-infested apartment, losing her security deposit and last month’s rent.
As shared above, when I originally wrote this post, I thought the only purpose of F-You Money was to be able to walk away from a bad situation.
I now realize that it can also allow you to take advantage of opportunities as well. Because of F-You Money, I was able to take the leap to entrepreneurship before I could fully cover my salary with the income from my side business.
Others have used F-You Money to do things like:
- Taking a year off to travel the world
- Taking the leap to self-employment
- Building up a part-time freelance business to be a digital nomad
- Take a 6-month honeymoon to Hawaii and later travel to every national park (while doing flexible work)
- Take a 1-year sabbatical to spend more time with family and build a business
Financial freedom is not all or nothing. Having F-You Money can help you unlock so many lifestyle designs that can help you enjoy the journey.
How to Work Through the Barriers to Actually Using your Fuck You Money
Within the FI community, many people already have F-You Money, but I hear from so many people that they feel like they can’t use it. They have spent so much time and energy focused on saving every spare penny. Switching to spending some of that money to make life better (or even to just save a bit less) can feel really scary.
When I experienced my mental health crisis in 2018, I was thrown into a crash course on personal finance and F-You Money. Before then, I didn’t really care to understand the numbers. Now, I know that had I paid attention to finances earlier, I may have never gotten into this situation.
Looking back, I now realize that there were three things I needed to do to work through my mental barriers.
- Know my numbers
- Reflect on what the numbers actually meant for my life today
- Determine what else could be holding me back and make a plan to move forward
I’ll walk you through each step of the process using the example of how I decided to take a 6-month career break. I’ll also share how this process helped me take the leap to entrepreneurship.
1. Know Your Numbers
As I mentioned above, I was somewhat resistant to understanding our personal finances. I had a lot of negative perspectives about money, and I didn’t want to know about it. I am very lucky to have a spouse who was very diligent in managing our finances so that when I needed to use F-You Money, we actually had it.

In July 2018, I started to understand our finances for the very first time in my life. And, it changed everything.
You can know your numbers by looking at a few metrics:
- Size of your emergency fund
- Investments as a percentage of the way to FI or your FI timeline
- Current savings rate
In 2018, as I learned about our financial situation, I learned that:
- We had 9-10 months of expenses saved in our emergency fund.
- We had 4-5x our annual expenses saved and invested. Using the 4% rule of thumb, this meant that we were about 15-20% of the way to FI.
- Our current savings rate was around 50%. This meant that we saved half of our income.
- Based on our savings rate, we knew that we would be able to retire in 10 years in our early 40s if we kept everything the same.
Knowing the numbers was helpful, but it still felt theoretical. This is the stage where I was looking at our accounts, and it all still felt like monopoly money.
2. Reflect on what the Numbers Actually Mean for your Life TODAY
To feel like I could use the money, I needed to articulate what the numbers meant for my life in that moment. Money had always been something we saved for some unknown future date, so I needed a real mindset shift to consider using it to improve my life.
So, I started to reflect on what the numbers meant for my life at that moment.
I was pleasantly surprised to realize that the amount of money in our emergency fund would last us for 9 months if we both lost our jobs.
To be honest, realizing we were 20% of the way to FI wasn’t a super impactful number for me. What was more important was realizing that, if we kept everything the same, we would reach FI in our early 40s. We could take some steps to improve our lives now and still retire before the traditional retirement age.
The final important insight was around the 50% savings rate. I was originally thinking, “Great. If I leave my job completely, we have a 9-month runway.” Then, I started to really think about what having a 50% savings rate meant.
Corey and I made approximately the same amount of money at the time. So, a 50% savings rate meant that we could live on one person’s salary. We wouldn’t even need to dip into our emergency fund if I decided to outright quit.
I am so happy that I did this reflection. If I hadn’t, I know my desire to reach FI would have kept me stuck.
If I can give you any advice, it’s this: If you feel stuck in an untenable situation, don’t let your pursuit of FI be the barrier that keeps you from taking action.
3. Determine What Else is Holding You Back and Make a Plan to Move Forward
After realizing that we would be fine financially, it was still a hard decision to make. There were several things holding me back.
- My identity was tied to my career.
- As a feminist, I felt like it was my responsibility to climb the corporate ladder and bring other women after me.
- I had always been the person who “pushed through” challenges. I bought into the ideas of “mind over matter” and that “you choose your attitude.”
I am very lucky to have a strong support system. At the time, they encouraged me that I didn’t need to immediately make a decision about what I wanted to do. I could take it day-by-day. I could make a decision once I was in a better space.
Originally, I planned to take a few days off. That turned into a week. After two weeks of medical leave, my therapist encouraged me to apply for my company’s disability insurance. The insurance covered 60% of my salary until I was ready to go back. After that decision, we took it on a month-by-month basis.
Taking time to work through my thoughts allowed me to not make rash decisions. By staying employed and taking a medical leave, I was able to receive disability insurance through my company. That was the right decision for me at the time, but it was also good to know that I could quit when I was ready.
Once the disability insurance ran out, I ultimately decided to quit the job.
Using Fuck You Money to Take Advantage of an Opportunity
Six months after my mental breakdown, I went back to work part-time. I wrote a post about it if you want to understand more about that decision-making process.
The process was very similar:
- Knowing the numbers
- Reflecting on what the numbers actually meant
- Identifying barriers and problem solving
I also decided to quit this part-time job in late 2020 to become an entrepreneur. The process I took to get comfortable making the leap followed a similar path.
I started by knowing the numbers. Our emergency fund still contained over 9 months of expenses. Our savings rate had increased to around 60%. I knew we had reached Coast FI. Coast FI is the point where you’ve saved enough that you no longer need to save for traditional retirement. You can either choose to scale back and only cover your expenses. Or, you can know that every dollar you save is now contributing toward early retirement. I also knew that my revenue from my business in 2020 was equivalent to about half of my salary that year. My projections for 2021 would exceed my salary.
Even though I knew all of this, I still took a few days to reflect on what it meant for my life.
After a few days of reflection, I realized something important. Even if things didn’t go as planned, I’d have a least 1 year of a runway before I felt like I’d need to be generating significant income. And, this was more of a personal decision than financial reality. Technically, we could live off Corey’s income and still save money. I didn’t even need to generate income at all.
But, I knew I wouldn’t feel good about that. I want to continue generating income so that my husband has more opportunities to design his life as well. He currently enjoys his job, but I know how quickly things can change.
Had I not had a deep understanding of the numbers, I would have never felt like I could make the leap. If you want to hear more about my thought process, I’d encourage you to check out the full post on how I decided to quit my job.
Now I know that having F-You Money (and feeling like you can use it) can provide significant benefits now. I don’t need to wait until after I retire to start using that freedom.
In what ways have you used F-You Money? Are you faced with a situation (positive or negative) where using F-You Money would improve your life?
Hey there, nice post! I like the idea of taking a medical leave of absence to think things thru. Just cus we have the funds doesn’t mean we have to make hasty decisions.
Yeah, I have decent size emergency fund and it gives me peace of mind.
Ms. Fiology,
Thank you for the comment. I appreciate the feedback. I was a little worried about being so honest in the post, so I appreciate the affirmation.
Jessica (aka Mrs. Fioneer)
“I disagree with using F-You and FI interchangeably.” YES! I definitely had F-You money when I left my job, but I was nowhere near FI.
I can absolutely relate to your story; I actually had to get myself out of a terrible, toxic work situation earlier this year and it was one of the most difficult situations I’ve ever had to deal with. Everyone I trusted told me it would ruin my career if I left so early, and urged me to stay despite my waning mental health and composure. Battling very severe depression and awful mistreatment from some superiors finally did me in, just a year into the job, and I couldn’t be happier that I prioritized my well-being and left. I’m SO glad you had the courage to leave when you needed to, and I admire your strength and hustle!
Wow – Thank you for sharing your story. It’s actually pretty amazing how prevalent stories like this are once people are willing to share them. Mental health can sometimes still feel like a taboo topic, and I hope that we as bloggers who have dealt with mental health issues can help to break down the stigma.
I’m so glad that you were able to leave. I truly believe that it’s important to get out of situations that will compromise your mental health, espcially if you can’t change it. Resilience can only go so far.
Thanks,
Jessica (aka Mrs. Fioneer)
Great post. I don’t personally like the term F-U money, it just seems to set the table for confrontation. The first time I heard this term was when E-trade first came out, and they would advertise on the NYC Subway, using that term during the dot com boom. I used to think..”Wow, people hate their jobs that much?”. I was probably naive but I definitely loved my job at the time. When I was in London 2 yrs ago, I was exposed to a small movement called Craftivism, where the young lady who is doing it, creates crafts in support of a cause. It avoids shouting down the opposing side. I wish there was something like that for F-U money.
Great point in recommending that people utilize their benefits to the fullest. I left full time employment in January 2016 to be a bone marrow donor for my sister. I didn’t want to be gone for an extended period (as she lived on the opposite coast) so I left amicably. However, when I needed to apply a year later for public health care benefits they said I should have requested leave under the “Family leave act.” I said…”no employer really lets you do that.” but ya gotta ask.
Thanks for taking the time to put this together.
Hi Jim,
Thanks for the comment. While I hear what you are saying about preferring the non-confrontational language, the concept of F-You Money as being somewhat confrontational was actually very helpful for me. I am generally a nonconfrontational person, especially in a work setting, very often putting the needs/wants of others above my own. While not always the case, I think this is very likely more true for women than men.
Partially because I did not really realize that I had the leverage to just walk away from a job and an environment that wasn’t working for me, it was helpful for me to think about it in these terms in order to do what was best for me. This is especially true because more collaborative language, when no one else was looking out for my best interest, would have encouraged me to stay in my situation.
I wish that you had known about your benefits when you left your job to be a bone marrow donor. Employers (above 50 employees) are required by law to allow FMLA leave, and it’s my understanding that most typically do and should make that clear to all employees. I am very lucky to work in HR because I know the ins and outs of all of the organizational policies and labor laws. Knowledge is power in these situations, and I’m very fortunate to have gotten 60% of my salary for the duration of my leave. I hope that others are able to learn from this experience so that they can acquire benefits that they deserve.
Thanks again,
Jessica (aka Mrs. Fioneer)
Great post! I have actually come to find that my reason for wanting FU money is actually my reason for wanting FI in the first place – but I didn’t even realize there were milestones to that. I changed a horrible working situation recently – I am staying with the same company but I asked to switch my schedule to not overlap with a TOXIC person and it was granted. YAY. But it was nice to know that if I had to find another job to rectify the situation that I could. I am so thankful for this pursuit and community! I have a beginner question about the 25-ish/x –> if you have rental/dividend income that will be coming in, can you minus that off your monthly expenses # and do 25-ish/x that lower number? I don’t see that mentioned usually so I was just wondering if that’s typical. Thx!
Hi M, thanks for the comment and the great question.
I’m so happy to hear that you feel like you have the FU money needed to get into a better work situation! That is a huge milestone.
Regarding your question. There’s no right or wrong answer to that question. It could go either way, depending on your risk profile. However, to help answer that question, the 25x rule of thumb is based off the Trinity study, which was a study attempting to answer how much a person could safely withdraw from a portfolio each year (adjusted for inflation) over a 30-year period without depleting their assets. To my knowledge, it wasn’t factoring in real estate, but the most straightforward answer would be to subtract real estate and other passive income from your expenses as you suggested to determine how much wealth you need to accumulate to reach FI. This has many assumptions built into, but it is a rule of thumb. Corey and I would be comfortable with this approach to defining the wealth accumulation aspect of FI at 25x expenses (minus passive income) because we don’t plan on ceasing all work when we reach FI and we don’t need a huge safety net. In fact, in some of our spreadsheets, our models subtract our future anticipated rental income for the amount we need to save to hit FI.
Thanks and good luck,
Jessica (aka Mrs. Fioneer)
I worked a part time job and my health was deteriorating there daily. I quit but now sort of regret it. lol. but unfortunately, i had no benefits and everyone else was either working or called out. So i had limited choice. Considering freelancing but i fear the lack of funds. I saved some money but the er fund quickly went to medical bills. Should i take the chance to start something?
I’m sorry to hear that this happened to you. It a job was causing your health to deteriorate, I think you’ll be glad you found something different in the long run.
You could try freelancing and finding another part-time job. This could allow you to have some stable income and some variable income. I’m working to build up my own business on the side of my part-time job.
Good luck!
Jessica
Thank you for this article. I am a little late but I’ve been thinking about this topic since last December, in the pre-COVID days. I have a demanding job with two passive aggressive high-level managers and my work-related stress level had reached an all-time high when 2020 began. After almost 25 years with my employer, I can literally feel the walls closing in, whether physically working in the office or working virtually. Burnout is very real and can negatively impact a person’s mental health state. As a result, my wife and I started saving and investing more each month, while paying down the mortgage faster, before COVID-19 shut down a lot of the country. I am fortunate that the plan has helped our family, with my wife losing both her full-time job and her part-time job this year. We also have 3 children in elementary, middle, and high school and that has made it more of a challenge, from an expense standpoint. While my work-related stress has not subsided at all, I am sticking with the plan because I need a short term level of F-You money to step away from my job if I suddenly need to do that in 2021. At the very least, it will give me time to find employment elsewhere without harming my family financially.
Hi Vincent,
Thank you for sharing. It sounds like you are taking good steps to get yourself into a financial situation to be able to make a change at some point. Since it sounds like you might not be able to make an immediate change in the short-term, I might recommend finding a therapist who might be able to help you through some of the burnout.
I wish you all the best!
Jessica
I had always considered F-you money as being a large number. I never really thought about what that number was, but felt it was totally out of reach. So, it was so interesting to hear you talk about JD Roth’s experience with $5,000. I had never thought of the concept this way before so thanks! Great stuff as always, Jess!
Really like your reasons on why you have F-You money!
Specially the “Grabbing an opportunity”, it can give you unimaginable flexibility.
I have never been a big fan of having to much cash on hand (I would rather have them invested).
But on my “older” days (30 years) I’m now happy with having 7.000 $/6 months of expenses.
And you have just made me confirm on why I have it. 🙂
Great read! I 100% agree that fuck you money isn’t about being able to FIRE. It’s about being able make significant changes to your life before retirement, especially if you’re in a bad situation.
After all, it’s called fuck you money for a reason. Bad boss? “Fuck you, I quit!”
It’s been a little while, but I wanted to follow-up on my previous comment after a couple of years. F-U money, counseling, and a supportive wife and family have finally allowed me to rip off the golden handcuffs and leave behind a toxic work environment and two passive aggressive managers that did not care for my well-being UNTIL the moment I announced my resignation. It all ends next month after more than a quarter century. I am taking a much-needed self-care break to recharge my mental health, while helping my family with a multitude of issues that I just did not have the time to do in the past because work was my primary focus. I am also taking my wife and children to the Caribbean for summer vacation. We all need to get away from work and school, and experience life a little more. Time is the most valuable resource to me, and I need to utilize it better while I am still relatively healthy. I just wanted to say thanks again for this post, which helped me clarify what I had been thinking about doing for so many years.
Vincent – Thank you so much for sharing this update. I am so glad that you built up your F-You Money and got the support that you needed to make this transition. I hope your time off is wonderful and life-giving. I’d love it if you’d reach out to me again to let me know how it all goes! Maybe, we can even feature you in a Slow FI interview!
All the best to you,
Jessica
Hey Jessica! I want to share how much this post (in particular, though I love all of your content) is helping me in my recent pursuit of FI.
Some context – I started my financial journey back in 2018 just after I graduated college and was riddled with student debt. I aggressively saved about 60% of my annual income (only 40k at the time living in expensive DC suburbia) and paid off $43k in loans within 2.5 years. I’m proud of that, but it’s not to brag – it felt horrible the entire time! I was not giving myself nearly enough breathing room to enjoy my journey. Once I paid off those loans, I couldn’t help but ask what the next step was, and so I found FI. And yet, pursuing FI felt the same as my painful debt journey because, as you know, the message was all about saving everything ASAP and flipping a switch once you hit your number as opposed to taking advantage of real milestones that can make a difference along the way.
Once I found out about CoastFI, I gravitated towards it because I knew that I wanted to work – I just want the control to work the way that I want to – AKA freelancing and having the ability to choose who I work with and define the scope of my services. However, since I’m still so early in my investing journey, CoastFI seems so far away, and unfortunately doesn’t do much for me right now since my CoastFI timeline is at least 4-5 years.
Then I found you and your content, and finally I feel like I have the missing piece here. I thought F U money was only about leaving a toxic employer or taking a sabbatical, but the framing of it to take advantage of a riskier career opportunity is hitting home with me. I’m realizing that I can use F U money to make the leap to entrepreneurship/freelancing before even reaching CoastFI. I can just make my freelancing resume/profiles now while I’m doing full time work and take on a client or two to experiment. If I feel comfortable and want to keep going with it, I can build up my F U fund in the meantime to eventually take that leap should I want to.
Thanks so much for making me feel like I have a place in this movement. FI is still definitely the goal, but knowing what I can do now is the motivation I need as a 26 year old to connect the dots with my 55+ year old self. Wishing you all the best, and good luck with your retreat in Colorado this year!
Best,
Trey
Trey,
Thank you so much for sharing this! It sounds like you are in a fantastic position, and I am so glad to hear that learning about F-You Money has inspired you to realize that you can start working toward freelancing/entrepreneurship before Coast FI! Many people actually end up making more money after making the transition to self-employment, so you certainly don’t need to wait until Coast FI.
I wish you all the best moving forward with your experiments!
Jessica